repost: Sanders, Orban: ‘democracy’ – 1848+: The End(s) of History

The discussion over the threat to American democracy is somewhat surreal, granting its rightness in the narrower context of free speech, rights, and electoral dynamics, etc… This is only an aspect of ‘real democracy’, to distinguish core democracy and democracy in its larger dimension beyond the baseline. But, (and Sanders knows this we can be confident), the deeper threat to democracy has always existed from day one, and this has been pointed out since day one and a half by everyone from the early socialists to Karl Marx and many others. The point is the American system is not really a democracy and suffers oligarchic domination via capitalism, etc…Thus the defenders of ‘democracy’, more or less ‘bourgeois class’ such defenders, are really defending that oligarchy and/or are agree or not upholding the capitalist status quo, thence suffering the contradiction in their reasoning where the ‘base level’ of democracy is ambiguous. To some degree, the gang of Trump’s base, baseline indeed, dare not claim they can shoot straight, in their ex-working-class/lumpenprole glory, is responding to this systematic doubletalk. The obvious issue is that VIP’s interviewed for handwringing over democracy on CNN are typical fans of ‘bourgeois democracy’ and they have something they might well wish to defend in a subtleties of privilege guaranteed by the double-talk previously referred to. This situation makes ‘true baseline commies’ very frustrated to the point of revolutionary advocations of ‘real socialism’ as real democracy. This issue is ‘news’ but to a closer view has been ‘news’ since the year 1848. The point is that the experts on ‘democracy’ in their handwringing need to consider they are part of the problem, and either put in a good word for the ‘commies’ at baseline or else be party ‘those revolted against’. You have heard enough, you can do the homework here and finish this post yourself. It may be time to re-expose Sanders as a socialist sleeper agent, and get on with a social revolution, socialist musings as three cheers for ‘real democracy’, ‘down with the Triumpian baseline trumpenproles’.

Source: Sanders, Orban: ‘democracy’ – 1848+: The End(s) of History

Sanders, Orban: ‘democracy’ – 1848+: The End(s) of History

The discussion over the threat to American democracy is somewhat surreal, granting its rightness in the narrower context of free speech, rights, and electoral dynamics, etc… This is only an aspect of ‘real democracy’, to distinguish core democracy and democracy in its larger dimension beyond the baseline. But, (and Sanders knows this we can be confident), the deeper threat to democracy has always existed from day one, and this has been pointed out since day one and a half by everyone from the early socialists to Karl Marx and many others. The point is the American system is not really a democracy and suffers oligarchic domination via capitalism, etc…Thus the defenders of ‘democracy’, more or less ‘bourgeois class’ such defenders, are really defending that oligarchy and/or are agree or not upholding the capitalist status quo, thence suffering the contradiction in their reasoning where the ‘base level’ of democracy is ambiguous. To some degree, the gang of Trump’s base, baseline indeed, dare not claim they can shoot straight, in their ex-working-class/lumpenprole glory, is responding to this systematic doubletalk. The obvious issue is that VIP’s interviewed for handwringing over democracy on CNN are typical fans of ‘bourgeois democracy’ and they have something they might well wish to defend in a subtleties of privilege guaranteed by the double-talk previously referred to. This situation makes ‘true baseline commies’ very frustrated to the point of revolutionary advocations of ‘real socialism’ as real democracy. This issue is ‘news’ but to a closer view has been ‘news’ since the year 1848. The point is that the experts on ‘democracy’ in their handwringing need to consider they are part of the problem, and either put in a good word for the ‘commies’ at baseline or else be party ‘those revolted against’. You have heard enough, you can do the homework here and finish this post yourself. It may be time to re-expose Sanders as a socialist sleeper agent, and get on with a social revolution, socialist musings as three cheers for ‘real democracy’, ‘down with the Triumpian baseline trumpenproles’.

Source: Sanders, Orban: ‘democracy’ – 1848+: The End(s) of History

  Was Frederick Hayek a Bernie Sanders Socialist? 

Let’s be very clear at this point in history: It is free-market ideologues—not democratic socialists—who are killing democracy.

It is important to point out the abuse of terminology on all sides. Sanders uses the term ‘socialist’ but isn’t a socialist and Hayek attacks FDR-ism in the context of his attack on socialism, no doubt with the USSR in mind.
Although Hayek is a hopeless case ideologist the fact remains that by 1944 it was becoming clear that socialism leading to totalitarianism was a real danger in the Bolshevik case. In fact, the left was deeply challenged in the coming generation and let the neoliberal meance to freedom (!) take hold. It was not enough to respond with kneejerk socialist slogans: the question was to create freedom in the context of no markets, a tasks the left failed at.
The fact of the matter is that socialism ended up the antithesis to liberalism/democracy when the affinity of the whole field one to the other should be clear. Hayek complains of socialist loss of freedom but the case of the US with its devastating mind-control tactics in association with capitalist advertising and the lessons learned in controlling freedom for imperialist aggression and militarism for profit make Hayek’s critique of socialism mindless muddle.
The challenge remains to bring democracy and socialism together in a new take on freedom, markets, and the opportunity of socialism to create a real democracy.
Our idea of ‘democratic market neo-communism’ shows that it is not enough to champion socialism without a model to make it work.

Source: Opinion | Was Frederick Hayek a Bernie Sanders Socialist? | Les Leopold