Email exchange on Marxism, marxmail…for archive here…

Fwd: Marx beyond theories of history…neo-communism, and the context of evolutionary civilization
From: Nemonemini
Cc: cc to a small group of listmembers
Date: Sun, Sep 26, 2021 8:40 am
I have just completed a short interaction with a list member: j.alan.x responding to a series of questions that I was at first willing to answer
but which suddenly in retrospect seem like a crypto-stalinist vetting by the group or the ‘moderator’ (is this fair?): this is the confusion you create when
you are not on the level with someone who is being ‘moderated’ (censored, or pressured to conform), I would like to know again what’s going
on here in a devious situation of a group that is apparently in a state of post-Proyect confusion.
If I get no answer I will have to assume this was indeed an effort to vet an outsider wishing to contribute to the group but who is likely to not conform
to some intangible standard yet to a high probability a marxist ‘opinion meat grinder’ censor/cancel culture…

Perhaps forget the above and consider the larger question of how anyone could hope to proceed along marxist (or in general any other) lines to a revolutionary
social transformation: if someone dissents on historical materialism and other seemingly now doctrinal issues?

This group has been unfair to me and vice versa, but there is no way to communicate across the confusion created by this ‘cancel’ culture.
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 Capitalism sabotages itself

It is perhaps harsh to critique marxists such as the fellows at marxmail. The left went into a funk after 1989 and never recovered and lists such as marxmail slip into a kind of daze or walking trance. Who can actually do anything: the long run of the second international was defeated and the reign of the capitalist bourgeoisie now seems beyond challenge. In fact, not so. As so often the reigning powers undo themselves and end up in self-sabotage. Their stance on climate change is a clear example, and subtly foolish indeed, as it generates the danger of planetary collapse, ‘your fault, and you knew all along’ and soon ‘stare down the gun barrel of enraged planet earthers’. There a dozen ways capitalism could have preserved itself by dealing with its own mistakes. No such luck, double down on catastrophe, take profits as long as possible, retreat to bunkers in Sweden and rid the planet of many billions. In fact, time’s up.
That’s about the size of it: the capitalist regime suddenly is seen as criminal, suicidal, genocidal, and…unnecessary. Who needs fossil-fueled cars. But the grip of the capitalist mafia is very strong, it is not clear how its domination is to be broken, until it breaks itself.
The climate catastrophe shows the answer. The recent hurricane Ida prompted the pols out of their morgue into pledges ‘we must act now’. The last chance for reformist change at least is here. After that the capitalist will have left a helpless multitude no other chance save revolution.
My critique of Marx is impossible for Marxists, e.g. at marxmail, along with breaking out of the stupidity of the 9/11 coverup. The latter shows how the powers that be learned how to fix the left in a subtle brainwashing. How did it happen? We can see now the final last straw: the criminal US can murder its own citizens to stage a war on terror as a way to fulfill Mossadic goals of destroying the middle east, but let the yanks do it for us.
Marx’s theories need an upgrade. The classic canon as a whole is flawed and now inert.
It is a situation easy to correct, on paper, but the inertia of the left here could prove as fatal as climate change.
We have a short text on this: Postcapitalist Futures: The Last Revolution.

Source: Actually I’m just getting started…as we used to say as kids, ‘we now take prisoners, beg for mercy…’///Good riddance to the deadbeat pseudo-leftists at marxmail – 1848+: The End(s) of History

Two blog posts at Marxmail /repost

Sure enough, the first link was suppressed


My two posts with links, plus CP article link (below) were posted at! Good…

who’s the bigger obstacle to socialism, the CIA or the cadre of marx idiots?…//Marx, the Paris Commune; socialism’s two souls: What liberation are we fighting for? | rs21

Lies About How the Attack on Afghanistan Started

Two blog posts at Marxmail

My two posts with links, plus CP article link (below) were posted at! Good…

who’s the bigger obstacle to socialism, the CIA or the cadre of marx idiots?…//Marx, the Paris Commune; socialism’s two souls: What liberation are we fighting for? | rs21

Lies About How the Attack on Afghanistan Started

who’s the bigger obstacle to socialism, the CIA or the cadre of marx idiots?…//Marx, the Paris Commune; socialism’s two souls: What liberation are we fighting for? | rs21

Two Manifestos

A battle for the soul of socialism.

Source: Marx, the Paris Commune & socialism’s two souls: What liberation are we fighting for? | rs21


A fascinating article but still the problem remains that socialism has nothing but a confused hodgepodge of ideas its proponents can never realize or clarify. What is the problem? Socialism should have come into existence in the generation of its birth after the take-off of capitalism. Its chances now are against a colossus of pseudo-democratic oligarchic mafias armed with massive armaments/armies, covert agencies specialized in defeating revolt/dissent, and an economic system so labyrinthine that ordinary notions of socialism cannot correctly analyze. Marx’s influence is confusing to all later adherents who struggle to grasp the germano-hegelian jargon swamp that Marx bequeathed to followers for whom he had a hidden contempt, as his remarkable treatment of Weitling reminds us. Such a system is elitist all over again, save that the elite itself can’t figure out Marx. The clear failure of Marx’s theories of history next to his often brilliant extra-systematic insights again confuses the faithful who have lost the ability to critique and therefore understand anything of the now useless baggage of marxist ideology to replace the capitalist. Marx’s combination of hyperintelligence, arrogant domination, and feckless science muddle has created a rogue elephant on the loose. To be sure, Marx struggled to create a systematic corpus for an exodus from his castigated ‘utopian’ socialist muddle of early socialism and to make it a canon that could exert authority against a wasteland of stray ‘socailisms’, but that strategy can’t make critical errors and has to get it right the first time or the result is not the science Marx proclaimed but still another brand of ‘utopian’ tinkertoys that at least offer a pool of variant DNA, sadly dismissed and put out of existence. Marx’s flawed system then surged in the Second International, but failing in all cases to find a venue, save in the anomalous case of Bolshevism. Lenin realized however that socialism could start anywhere anytime and pressed on with the Russian anomaly,but the hidden tragic flaws of Marx’s system derailed the whole attempt as it devolved into Stalinism.
We have a host of suggestions here, but basically, it might help to leave behind ‘theory’ in the sense of science. There are no sciences of society, sociology, psychology, or even evolution. From basic science, physics to biochemistry, the buck stops just around the evolutionary zone where the failure of theory is beyond even the awareness of biologists. And,sure enough, Marxism added a further cement block to drag it down, Darwinism, turning natural selection into a genocidal ‘class war’ weapon. To be sure, Marx had a brilliant analysis, which doesn’t require his Big Theory, of the way the factor of bourgeois domination and capitalism seep into and take over ‘democracy’. But the case of the US Rebs, which fall under that critique, nonetheless shows an early path attempting democracy (with hints of democratic socialism manque in its stunning focus on equality, however soon vitiated, unprecedented for its time).
The only revolution that really succeeded was the humble revolt of the American Rebs, nowhere near as smart, or smart ass, as Marx who made a total mess where the Rebs actually produced (serendipitously perhaps) a republic, a later diagnosed as bourgeois revolution with a strange democratizing potential, despite the near stealth anti-democratic elements foisted on the experiment by its elite slaveholders: the issue of slavery fairly well scotches the effort that looks ridiculous in retrospect but which shows a case where dirt farmers at least brought a revolution to term and showed more intelligent any of the nutjob marxists who come later.
The moral then is to consider the core idea of a republic quite compatible with a socialist brand, and then consider how it can realize increasing democracy as it manifests a socialist music/economics. It has a key obstacle the early Rebs didn’t have: the need to contain capital in a socialist container instead of the let-be/laissez-faire that made a revolution much easier in its outcome sequence. But the problem is not beyond solution: a simple requirement that ‘capital’/property at high level be annexed into a Commons, leaving the rest as is would be a minimal version of socialism that could be realized easily once the coming crisis of capitalism is seen finally for what it is. That means, no more Exxons and all such macro-capital formations. The lower level can by and large be left as is.
Our ‘democratic market neo-communism’ shows how easy it is to construct a variant of liberalism as a socialism/commnunism, dispensing with Marx’s distinction of the two. Such simple recipes could work fine, until Marxists get a hold of them. link sent to marxmail, obviously will be suppressed.

Two Manifestos

A battle for the soul of socialism.

Source: Marx, the Paris Commune & socialism’s two souls: What liberation are we fighting for? | rs21

If Mann implies revolution he should get out of academic tweedledee and lead one…//The New Climate War: The Fight to Take Back Our Planet ,

I just blew fourteen bucks on this book: if the climate crisis is that bad the book should be for free. In fact, I have been reading this book for the last forty years as the climate experts denounce the climate crisis parameters, make statements implying the situation is hopeless and unsaid that it requires/implies revolution (without mentioning revolution) and then retreat into tweedle dee mode. It is people like me who will have to fight that revolution while the academic potty thinkers ruminate and preen their Gandhian saintly feathers. In fact, all these ‘progressives are the same: they imply contexts, then have a non-violent preening moment, and then we await the next article from Common Dreams. Will Mann please either shut up or suggest some kind of revolutionary tactic?
I was about to say that the situation has passed no return, but strangely the recent calamity of IDA has once again produced the chorus of the handwringers and for the first time that I can recall CNN bench comment actually referenced the connection of IDA to climate change. Amazing! Is this progress? Revolution? Mann’s last option, go down fighting, kamikaze. is Jan 6 a model, premonition, some sort of trial run. I think leftists have let the Jan 6 alt-right steal their thunder.
At some point, even the Bidens will have to act and seemed to be doing so, into the mike. Again, should the left storm the capital? but do it right this time: they should reach Bernie Sanders office and take him, prisoner, as a revolutionary frontman, parroting ‘Our Revolution’, with a bloodthirsty look, cf. Madame Lafarge in the movie. I can see the inevitable, will have to do it all by myself. Unfortunately, I don’t have the bus fare to reach Washington.

 From ‘Our Revolution’ manque ripped off to the alt-right and Jan 6 ‘insurrection’…

Progressives, and the left in general, might consider that the ‘revolutionary’ slot has been ripped off by the right, and while the indignation against the alt-right’s Capitol caper has been morally quite indignant the deeper suspicion is that the immense tide of revolutionary thinking/ideology has subsided only to resurface as fascism: a variant no doubt of the kind of reversal we see in the emergence of fascism/nazism. The left is completely paralyzed and unable to proceed beyond slogans.

We have plus/minused the Berniac movement many times since 2016. We might again note that the strategy makes complete sense on the surface but over time suffers the obvious flaw of getting nowhere.…

Source: Our Revolution’s problem, not revolutionary – 1848+: The End(s) of History

provocations to revolutionary intervention…//Texas Abortion Ban: What It Means and What Happens Next : NPR

The right has gone crazy and the suspicion arises they wish to provoke revolt so that they can take over the US gov via a fascist coup.

This seems extreme but is hardly so: the whole country is falling apart and in the context of climate change, Hurricane IDA seems to foretell the US mainland becoming uninhabitable.
Please note that many conservatives would welcome a bloodbath of tens of millions of Americans: the better to hole up in their bunkers.

The left should have been ready here but is not. We have tried with some impatience to recast the left beyond the sterile marxism. Marxists just sit around and thumbtwiddle between quotes from Marx and are essentially paralyzed.

But the provocations to revolution along with the objective indications should leave the public worried about the future of the republic.
We have tried to create superfast a post-marxist corpus of materials, hope that helps. But Marxists have secretly given up and don’t do anything. The right is clearly trying to forestall with their own revolution and their contempt for law is transparent.
The abortion law (next to the governor’s hypocrisy over mask mandates) is somehow a deliberate provocation.
We have essentially lost the Supreme Court, a grim omen of a collapsing republic.

The law bans abortions as early as six weeks after conception and allows Texans to sue anyone who aids, abets or performs an abortion past that mark.

Source: Texas Abortion Ban: What It Means and What Happens Next : NPR

R48G: Postcapitalist Futures: work in progress…Greta Thunberg appears to call for revolution…critiques of Marxism…

The crisis we face is generating a sense that postcapitalism is the only option. Many say this in the mode of Common Dreams or Counterpunch, or Marxmail but noone can really think about the revolutionary options, its dangers and potentials, and the failure of any section of the left to really think through what is needed.
I am too old to start a revolutionary movement but have produced abundant materials for thinking about that. In the age of POD books one can evade peer reviewed boilerpate literature and speak one’s mind and produce a paperback or PDF very quickly. Below is an ersatz quick book in progress summarizing some previous work. One would think that the realm of Marxism would have something to contribute here and the literature there is stunning, and yet none of it is suitable at a revolutionary threshold, a stupefying realization: here are some of the reasons:
Marxism spawned the Second Internationale and then the Leninist Bolshevik revolution which devolved into Stalinism. Dead duck, sorry.
Any attempt to use the standard corpus in the same language used by Stalinists, North Korea, or Chinese communists will cause massive cognitive dissonance and attempted take over and liquidation of the whole Common dreams staff. The Chinese system killed one million capitalists at the start. We don’t want to go that route. Continue reading “R48G: Postcapitalist Futures: work in progress…Greta Thunberg appears to call for revolution…critiques of Marxism…”

 The sentimental gandhian left is going to provoke far more violence than that of any revolutionary…

world war needs a world revolution. The left has been kidnapped by sentimental gandhians peddling non-violence, which is going to itself provoke massive violence of unchecked political insanity. Millions to billions. These sentimental gandhians are far more violent than any revolutionary.

Source: Opinion | With Earth on Edge, Climate Crisis Must Be Treated Like Outbreak of a World War | C.J. Polychroniou