Marxism was one of the first versions of secular humanism and remains a classic in its own right, but at this point it is likely to get kidnapped by the social darwinist ideology of the new atheists, darwinian fundamentalists and the proponents of reductionist scientism.
In reality the path to socialism don’t require any opinion or new dogmas on such subjects, although it might be nice is socialist could show some intelligence in the realm of philosophical history, and some sense of the illusions of darwinism. The socialist left however has no real business legislating atheism even if a critique of religions is or is not relevant.
But a shallow secular humanism or the new atheism are likely fatal to a socialist future which must do such questions with considerable dialectical subtety, or not at all if too busy moving along the vein of socialist transformation.
Source: Challenging religion…then secular humanist darwinism…le plus ca change//Gregory Paul on the rise of nonbelief in the U.S.: it’s happening faster than you think « Why Evolution Is True – Darwiniana
Jews and christians need a radical new flank to prepare for the collapse of the whole legacy which shows every sign of being doomed. A form of this already exists as secular humanism, but somehow that option seems too limited, crippled by a version of scientism that can’t deal with the complexities that science seems unable to deal with.
Something ominous lurks in the secularization of judaism, a problem christians don’t have: tribal/organismic substrate taken as a definition of religious membership, a disastrous state of affairs that threatens to make jewish identity something it can never be and which will drive history to reckon with. To me the question is ridiculous: who cares, let this factor simply fade in the inexorable assimilation underway. But it is not up to me,and some have adopted a less sanguine perspective.
A radical new flank might resolve to a far superior brand of secularization: a general philosophy of values, the human will and soul, open to all and able to assimilate christians and jews et al and yet speak to a universal community beyond religious or cultural identities.
Such an identity cannot replicate the confusions of ‘faith’ or impose itself beyond a heuristic enthusiasm, while at the same time adopting a robust ethical and aesthetic set of flexible perspectives. Remarkably the culture of science is incapable of even this limited project. By definition of its value-free orientation.
The issues emerged very clearly in the era of Kant as the limits of newtonian science were exposed to critique. This kind of broader secularism should have informed the marxist movement which instead became fixated by a brittle materialist scientism and finally darwinian ideology. The time has passed for such formulations. It was always unnecessary and the parallel world of the ‘Kantian ethical socialists’ of the Marburg school already exists as historical to show a way beyond the club-footed historical materialism which stubbornly persists and imposes itself on successive generations.
The passage beyond religion is not clear cut, therefore. In fact the whole realm of culture in the politics of capitalism is producing a rapid degeneration of cultural values and mentalities. The politicians have been overtaken by psychopaths and these in turn are corrupting the general public which is being driven into a form of idiocy in the orgy of capitalist obsessions. The prospect for secular culture is not therefore clear. Certainly no religious revival of ancient religions is going to suffice. Nor will some novel concoction from the field of gurus or the zoo of self-proclaimed prophets be able to produce a new first in the ratpack of last men. Nietzsche was a clever fellow but he fails badly as the new prophet, although a huge flock of his true believers lurk behind the bluff of good fellow social ideology. They make good fodder for the covert agencies which require psychopaths beyond ‘good and evil’. As in the putinesque gray zone of a culture run by covert agencies, the legacy of bolshevism, we may end up pawns of the cia, at last.
For my money, born again commmie/marxists, despite a frequent doltish manner, molting from their cult of the prophet Marx already have some of the elements of social integrity need for the successor to axial age religion. The ominous phase of stalinism shows that this too can derail but that outcome shows only the limits of marxism and that is eminently repairable. The point is clear: a post- neo- socialism has a chance to carry the field despite a first strike in the leninist/stalinist aborted movement.
But the classic socialist vision is by probability destined to a too limited outcome. Thus our sermon to a new flank of post religious xtians/jews to reconstruct a robust neo-secularism and humanism that can enrich the secular, having shed its addiction to god gibberish in a survey of values in the realm of acts. Socialism there is a rich field of possibilities. Three strikes and you are out, strike one saith the ump.
Source: Israel’s destruction of israel’s right to exist: the zionist mafia and the collapse of judeo-xtianity – Toward a New Socialism
The passing of monotheism is a confusing question for many believers. In fact, it is more than just a humanist critique of religion. It is a kind of epochal tide that, to a very long view, somehow conditions the histories of religions. Continue reading “Religion and epochal tiding, reformations, secularism(s)”
There is a lot of material here and I haven’t studied it enough to comment directly. I had never heard of Roland Boer.
But we can start to consider Marx on religion and note the confusing way he acted ruthlessly to excise religion from the left. But the result was a sterile reductionist scientism that is in the end a disaster for the left.
Christians might well protest their radicalism was ripped on the left, and with a very stupid outcome such as we see in braindead marxists.
The real issue is simply that christianity is an exhausted resource that belongs to another age period. It was crucial for the passage beyond slavery yet was unable finally to accomplish the task.
Let us note for the record that at the dawn of modernity in the Reformation we find a calvinist capitalism and a communist Munzer emerge in parallel, with Luther a sort of bourgeois precursor of mainstream protestantism. So it is the case the first communists of modern times were figures on the religious left reformation like Munzer. we can hardly then castigate christian communism from a left that has amputated serious enquiry in the name of historical materialism. But in a way the instincts of the early socialists were right as they suspected the hidden reactionary cast of christian culture. History has shown the rightness of that: leftist christians have ditched the whole subject as a truly putrid right wing christian culture has moved into the void. To the long view of world history we see that religions recycle in an epochal progression and the monotheistic brands have long reached their ‘sell by’ date. The Refomation is confusing in that respect: it shows that in the end the ‘true reformation’ was to move beyond the sterile and dead forms of theism. we can envision a more intelligent version of the left on religion but it is doubtful a christian socialism, which has to be accepted as an instance of religious freedom, has the potential to revolutionize society. Millennia of christianity have shown this christian potential to be incapable of dealing with real social justice in the rank submission to class cultures.
One problem is the obscurity of christianity. We don’t know what we are dealing with. Sufis like Gurdjieff suspected the truth: there is an exoteric and esoteric chriatianity, the latter invisible to the naked eye, and if Gurdjieff is any example, a very demonic power zone exploiting the humble faith of ordinary religious christians, sitting ducks. The exoteric christian has been left with a mess of pottage that suggests the ‘esoteric’ factor is really an occult ripoff. Best to move on altogether and not wager a poor bet on socialist christianity and other such useless hybrids.
Source: Re: [Marxism] Capitalism, Communism, Christianity – and Christmas | Roland Boer | Culture Matters
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