repost: physics and the eonic effect…the legacy of scientism

Critiquing science is not acceptable in many circles and especially in a pandemic that can backfire. I am a great fan of physics and have tried to study its mathematical methods. But that is not our point here, trusting the science there is surely called for: we are citing the historical legacy of science as it emerged from early physics to related sciences in (bio)chemistry, etc….But then in the early nineteenth century this legacy spawned a kind of false ambition to extend science to all subjects, from biology to evolution, to psychology and the results failed in almost all cases. Worse with evolution, a fake theory emerged and no one in the science field could figure out that there was problem with natural selection, despite the warnings of the one scientist who dissented, Fred Hoyle. It is alarming there have been almost no others. For a century and a half almost the entire cadres of scientists made a myth of evolution in the Darwinian mode, a disaster that will perhaps forever caution any absolute trust in science and its pretension to be the source of all knowledge.
Marx fell into this trap and tried to make a science of history using a very reductionist model that was off the mark, as science. There can be a science flavor in psychology and sociology and attempts to advance in some fashion were often of great value but the results were descriptive and empirical methods, not scientific laws. It seems unlikely that this situation can be overcome. Who knows? But the reductionist scientism of the era of Marx attacking Hegel has proven a deadly perspective, especially in the way a system that rejected ethics became such a murderous horror.
One of the key failures that may suggest the resolution is the failure to understand the phenomenon of consciousness. That suggests the limit in the type of science emerging from the Newtonian era. This is hardly a novel idea, it has been said in one way or another over and over again, but scientists don’t really have to listen any more. They are showered with social power, money, prestige and the fictions of the history of science.

Source: repost: physics and the eonic effect…//Why are physicists almost as idiotic/dumb as biologists…?//God, Dark Matter and Falling Cats – 1848+: The End(s) of History

repost: physics and the eonic effect…//Why are physicists almost as idiotic/dumb as biologists…?//God, Dark Matter and Falling Cats

Another post/commentary, reproduced here:
Critiquing science is not acceptable in many circles and especially in a pandemic that can backfire. I am a great fan of physics and have tried to study its mathematical methods. But that is not our point here, trusting the science there is surely called for: we are citing the historical legacy of science as it emerged from early physics to related sciences in (bio)chemistry, etc….But then in the early nineteenth century this legacy spawned a kind of false ambition to extend science to all subjects, from biology to evolution, to psychology and the results failed in almost all cases. Worse with evolution, a fake theory emerged and no one in the science field could figure out that there was problem with natural selection, despite the warnings of the one scientist who dissented, Fred Hoyle. It is alarming there have been almost no others. For a century and a half almost the entire cadres of scientists made a myth of evolution in the Darwinian mode, a disaster that will perhaps forever caution any absolute trust in science and its pretension to be the source of all knowledge.
Marx fell into this trap and tried to make a science of history using a very reductionist model that was off the mark, as science. There can be a science flavor in psychology and sociology and attempts to advance in some fashion were often of great value but the results were descriptive and empirical methods, not scientific laws. It seems unlikely that this situation can be overcome. Who knows? But the reductionist scientism of the era of Marx attacking Hegel has proven a deadly perspective, especially in the way a system that rejected ethics became such a murderous horror.
One of the key failures that may suggest the resolution is the failure to understand the phenomenon of consciousness. That suggests the limit in the type of science emerging from the Newtonian era. This is hardly a novel idea, it has been said in one way or another over and over again, but scientists don’t really have to listen any more. They are showered with social power, money, prestige and the fictions of the history of science.

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Reposting with a note:

The point being made here is that physics is only one narrow avenue enquiry into nature. As a directed process it is accompanied by a whole spectrum of parallel innovations, ethical, aesthetic, political, philosophical. To restrict everything to a causal science based on physics to the exclusion of the larger process is a mistake, as a host of figures realized early on.

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Science is in crisis and winning the Templeton prize is a non-achievement. The question of science and spirituality must be able to address the question of Darwinism and its status as a pseudo-science, one that can’t be corrected by spiritual counterarguments. But the physicist here starts to spout about ‘god’, which may be simply PR crap. Almost the entire biological community has been stuck in an erroneous view of natural selection, under suspicion of being an ideological cover for capitalism and the need to maintain social viciousness as justified by evolution. Physicists should have been able to intervene but they are apparently as clueless as the biologists (many of whom in fact are liars who parrot the party line, lest they be fired immediately). Are physicists as stupid as the biologists (and/or dissembling also)? The question lurks as to the core of science reasoning which requires only mining higher mathematics for a theory to match the data in a new field: very little real enquiry is needed and the reality is that too many physicists in the ‘boy we’re smart’ crowd are marginally as moronic as the biologists. The Templeton gang is hardly any better and the promotion of design theory to, gasp, revive the braindead religious mess of Christian pottage is not believable (although a secular design argument is of interest). The correct methodology for evolution was discovered at the end of the eighteenth century by the teleomechanists and then Lamarck. But this starting point was suppressed with the coming of the complete dolt, Darwin, who was a racist, imperialist, genocidal crypto-ideologist and/or too dumb to do any real science beyond sticking pins in beetles.
The public is losing faith in science, and given the record of brazen distortion of evolution, that is hardly surprising…

Update: to document my statement that physicists don’t really investigate reality but simply discover mathematics that can match the data I would point to the history where at each stage a set of mathematical advances resolved a new field: calculus with Newton, then again Lagrange and Hamilton, Leibnitz, vector analysis with electromagnetism, (thermodynamics?), Hilbert Spaces, matrices with QM, and then Quantum field theory. String theory is (as far as I know) chock full of mathematics but still unresolved….Is the massive momentum of scientific physics going to stall again?  If Darwinism is any indication, it has already done so. But I doubt that physics will collapse again. However, it is important to see that social advances have an eonic macro effect which comes to a stop at a certain point, then one is on one’s own.

In any case, the eonic effect shows a reality beyond both science and religion, yet easy to document in world history. Science begins with data, so check out this data. The text Decoding World History polnts to that data and its strategy is to look at a non-random pattern to evade the charge of speculation.

Any student of the eonic effect can see that ‘science’ is a modern close focus in the modern transition, generates advances as macro inductions (albeit requiring a certain amount of high intelligence), and in this case the process endures past the divide and becomes self-sustaining. Mathematics is like a crib for decoding something (I refer to the movie Enigma for the use of the term crib).

Note also that science is born inside the transitions of the eonic series, first in Greece (Sumer? who knows), the dead center in the modern transition. Most innovations damp out after the transitions, and ‘science’ did so in the medieval period (but there are many who attempt to challenge such a statement) and then in the next transition is reamped as modern science: so we conclude/suspect that without external macro induction physics might never have happened. This makes sense of the mathematical aspect: the large macro induction steers scientists to the uncanny non-coincidence of finding the exact ‘right’ mathematics coming into existence just before or during the next advance.

I have tried many times to explain the eonic effect to scientists but they are hopelessly stuck in a paralysis of thought. The eonic effect/model cannot be turned into a science like physics, and resembles ‘evolution’ done right without Darwin. I strongly recommend a close look at this model (which in fact requires direct thinking about historical data, without a mathematical crib, unless there is one I don’t know about).

Frank Wilczek, a Nobel Prize–winning theoretical physicist and author, has been announced as the recipient of the 2022 Templeton Prize, which is valued at more than $1.3 million. The annual award honors those “who harness the power of the sciences to explore the deepest questions of the universe and humankind’s place and purpose within it,” according to a press release from the John Templeton Foundation. Previous recipients include scientists such as Jane Goodall, Marcelo Gleiser and Martin Rees, as well as religious or political leaders such as Mother Theresa and Desmond Tutu.

Source: God, Dark Matter and Falling Cats: A Conversation With 2022 Templeton Prize Winner Frank Wilczek | Portside

Why are physicists almost as idiotic/dumb as biologists…?//God, Dark Matter and Falling Cats

Science is in crisis and winning the Templeton prize is a non-achievement. The question of science and spirituality must be able to address the question of Darwinism and its status as a pseudo-science, one that can’t be corrected by spiritual counterarguments. But the physicist here starts to spout about ‘god’, which may be simply PR crap. Almost the entire biological community has been stuck in an erroneous view of natural selection, under suspicion of being an ideological cover for capitalism and the need to maintain social viciousness as justified by evolution. Physicists should have been able to intervene but they are apparently as clueless as the biologists (many of whom in fact are liars who parrot the party line, lest they be fired immediately). Are physicists as stupid as the biologists (and/or dissembling also)? The question lurks as to the core of science reasoning which requires only mining higher mathematics for a theory to match the data in a new field: very little real enquiry is needed and the reality is that too many physicists in the ‘boy we’re smart’ crowd are marginally as moronic as the biologists. The Templeton gang is hardly any better and the promotion of design theory to, gasp, revive the braindead religious mess of Christian pottage is not believable (although a secular design argument is of interest). The correct methodology for evolution was discovered at the end of the eighteenth century by the teleomechanists and then Lamarck. But this starting point was suppressed with the coming of the complete dolt, Darwin, who was a racist, imperialist, genocidal crypto-ideologist and/or too dumb to do any real science beyond sticking pins in beetles.
The public is losing faith in science, and given the record of brazen distortion of evolution, that is hardly surprising…

Update: to document my statement that physicists don’t really investigate reality but simply discover mathematics that can match the data I would point to the history where at each stage a set of mathematical advances resolved a new field: calculus with Newton, then again Lagrange and Hamilton, Leibnitz, vector analysis with electromagnetism, (thermodynamics?), Hilbert Spaces, matrices with QM, and then Quantum field theory. String theory is (as far as I know) chock full of mathematics but still unresolved….Is the massive momentum of scientific physics going to stall again?  If Darwinism is any indication, it has already done so. But I doubt that physics will collapse again. However, it is important to see that social advances have an eonic macro effect which comes to a stop at a certain point, then one is on one’s own.

In any case, the eonic effect shows a reality beyond both science and religion, yet easy to document in world history. Science begins with data, so check out this data. The text Decoding World History polnts to that data and its strategy is to look at a non-random pattern to evade the charge of speculation.

Any student of the eonic effect can see that ‘science’ is a modern close focus in the modern transition, generates advances as macro inductions (albeit requiring a certain amount of high intelligence), and in this case the process endures past the divide and becomes self-sustaining. Mathematics is like a crib for decoding something (I refer to the movie Enigma for the use of the term crib).

Note also that science is born inside the transitions of the eonic series, first in Greece (Sumer? who knows), the dead center in the modern transition. Most innovations damp out after the transitions, and ‘science’ did so in the medieval period (but there are many who attempt to challenge such a statement) and then in the next transition is reamped as modern science: so we conclude/suspect that without external macro induction physics might never have happened. This makes sense of the mathematical aspect: the large macro induction steers scientists to the uncanny non-coincidence of finding the exact ‘right’ mathematics coming into existence just before or during the next advance.

I have tried many times to explain the eonic effect to scientists but they are hopelessly stuck in a paralysis of thought. The eonic effect/model cannot be turned into a science like physics, and resembles ‘evolution’ done right without Darwin. I strongly recommend a close look at this model (which in fact requires direct thinking about historical data, without a mathematical crib, unless there is one I don’t know about).

Frank Wilczek, a Nobel Prize–winning theoretical physicist and author, has been announced as the recipient of the 2022 Templeton Prize, which is valued at more than $1.3 million. The annual award honors those “who harness the power of the sciences to explore the deepest questions of the universe and humankind’s place and purpose within it,” according to a press release from the John Templeton Foundation. Previous recipients include scientists such as Jane Goodall, Marcelo Gleiser and Martin Rees, as well as religious or political leaders such as Mother Theresa and Desmond Tutu.

Source: God, Dark Matter and Falling Cats: A Conversation With 2022 Templeton Prize Winner Frank Wilczek | Portside

 The Grim Consequences of Sidelining Science: Nearly One Million US Covid Deaths and the Climate Crisis 

At this most critical juncture of public health and the fate of the planet, science and scientists have been reduced to a political punching bag.

Source: Opinion | The Grim Consequences of Sidelining Science: Nearly One Million US Covid Deaths and the Climate Crisis | Derrick Z. Jackson

 The failure of physics to generate a world view

Where once physics, as with Marx, suggested strongly a view of the universe, one based on Newtonian physics, and the universal causality of nature, the new worlds of quantum field and string theory seem to end in a question mark, as the issues of consciousness, free will, the soul, and the nature of society end in question marks.

Source: Quantum Fields: The Real Building Blocks of the Universe – with David Tong  – 1848+: The End(s) of History